Several important facts came to light at the site visit, one of which was the rather close ranges at which you will be operating over the weekend - specifically the ranges at which snipers will be plying their trade.

To this end, we have decided to make the following decisions regarding Sniper Rifles and their use at Town Assault 2:

1) Bolt Action Rifles at 500fps are allowed
2) Semi-auto (full auto disabled) Sniper Rifles at 400fps are allowed
3) All sniper rifles operate with a Minimum Engagement Distance of 30m
4) No head shots when other targets are available

Before we are inundated with a wave of protest, let me be honest - there is proabably no-one more "pro-sniper" than myself, and I feel the above changes will not impact game play in the slightest.

In some cases the consideration was for game balance. We do not want to undervalue the precision of a 500fps rifle, but we also are aware that even at 400fps an AEG is in practical terms, incredibly powerful as a weapon on the field.
The ability to engage as fast as you can pull the trigger, especially in FIBUA, is incredibly valuable, so the lower limit was decided upon to offset this massive advantage.

From a Health and Safety perspective, it is also possible to put two or three BB's in the air from an AEG before the first has landed, and I do not wish to see 500fps overkill at 30m, which is obviously the intent behind the 4th point.

In terms of a "Mil-Sim" environment, while we are all aware that 5.56mm squad level Marksman's rifles can operate out to 800m, its the larger calibre systems that are most effective at that range, and the staggered rules for FPS that we utilise should now reflect that effectiveness across the board.

Snipers have a responsibility to ensure that they are beyond reproach in terms of safety, so please help us to make it a great day by following those simple guidelines.

Sounds all good and fair mate, tell me are you sniping on the day?
Oh and is there anymore info on signing up to be a dedicated sniper?
And what about using ladders ect, do we need to bring our own?
Are grappling hooks allowed?

also on this note but slightly different,is there much dead land around ,and if so can we wear ghillies,that dont match our teams,im rebal so need to wear tan/desert,but my ghillie is green(you see the problem)So i might get mistaken for the other side

My tuppance halfpenny on the subject.........They are a waste of time.

The only ghillie i would be seen dead in is an urban rubble one!

There aint much grass in the town and you'll be out of range for most of the outside.

its just that i hear the site is similar to senni,which had alot of dead ground with vegetation around the outside of the village,and you'll be surprized at the range from my sniper

There is very little vegetation other than on the east side of the site, which is likely to be the main brunt of the opening attack, due to the cover that it offers.

The rest is just grazing plains, in otherwords, just grass. Mind you there is deadground about 70 to 100 metres out on the northern side.

cheers,should be getting pics of the site this sunday from guys at our site who are ex army,so that will give a better view,do remember its in just under 3 months and at this time of year all the veg grows quikly,so it might be very different by then

That is a very good point.

We'll send u out a burger then.

What?

When you are out on the plain picking off the enemy from within the village.....we will bring you out a burger.....

Damn that mean i better stop Frank putting the 500 spring in the GR16

Thought:
Why not have AEG snipers have a 5 second delay between shots? Might even the field abit and also simulate the person readjusting aim after the recoil (in real steel terms)

That's what the reduced FPS limits are for, to even out the difference between the AEG snipers and the Bolt Action snipers.

Well the SR25 is a 7.62 and semi auto.. but thats nit picking

.. ahh shame *downgrades SR25*.. althought yeah i can see why you do it.. tis sensible

Yeah, but as good as the SR is, its not as good as say, the L96 or M40A3.....

That said, at 400fps my SR 25 was fully capable of taking people out up to 60m or so....

Ill bring a few different weights on the day.. well see how it goes i guess

I think that'll be the way forward. Nothing lighter than .25, but I doubt I'll need anything heavier than .3.
I suspect it will be .29 SGM FTW.
SG1K Urban sniper set up.

well, 7 of the AKs we use for outdoor events in our team clock about 410-420 with .30g BBs. No problem scoring hits @ 60m with 3 round bursts. Pity, would love to defend a house in a village like Copehill with this kind of equipment. I see a massive downgrade operation before the event will be necessary and also bringing the indoor AKs and MP5Ks....


If you want to experience milsim with engagements at extended ranges, come to Slovakia for one the larger events.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, pint of beer will cost you 50p over here.

wow all i can say is ouch at close range!

Ah, I mailed you recently mate to chat about the event, nice to see you posting.

So....50p per pint, and Uber Powered AEG's? (Thats actually more than our Sniper limits..... )

Sounds interesting.

Sounds all good. If I can get my SR up in time It'll be 400 on the nose.

Im a firm believer in staggered fps limits according to the type of gun you are using.
Best way would be something akin to:

500 for 7.62

400 for 5.56

300 for 9mm

Play a game like that and people will stop saying the MP5 is so good lol

when did you mail me? nothing arrived yet. It's not actually uberpowered, you use guns with e.g. Systema M130/M140 springs for outdoors, and default or M100 for indoors. The beer prices are for real, just like the APCs and other niceties we use. PM me if you'd be interested in a few details about major events over here, so that we don't hijack this thread.

Where abouts is over here?

PM'd mate.

Just an aside to say that those levels of power are practically unheard of over here......thank you HM's Goverment....

Slovakia.

Dont really feel that would work. I think the rules as set are the best option for trying to keep the playing field level. If variable calibre rules were used then what rate could i use in the gun in my sig? Whilst it would be a huge advantage to me i dont think its fair to anyone else and as such will be running at 400fps no matter what the final decision is.

m82, pah m99 ftw!

you bringing that beast along? will be great to see the diversity in peoples weapons...

I dont own one but what would the fps rules be on a 8mm weapon?

ok if you did that what would the fps limit be if someone was useing a barrett 50cal light???

600fps??

As far as I am concerned, all FPS limits are based on a 0.2g BB. If someone was to use an 8mm BB then we would take in account the weight of the ball and re-adjust the FPS requirements for that player.

If you read the pther posts you'll realise that the variable fps limits for real steel calibre is not going to be put in place. It was a comment.

i know i was just proving how bad his idea was

Sorry if this has been answered, but can u stay with your squad and still be a sniper or so u get put on solo dedicated solo missions?

I believe unless you are in a dedicated sniper team, you can stay with your squad.

thanks pal..... HAPPY SNIPING!!!

That is correct.

Due to recent events, and the legality of "converted" AEGs firing over 1.35J (approx 381FPS) will you be reviewing the semi auto sniper rule?

There is a type in our rules which we will rectify. It should be:

Bolt Action Sniper Rifle = 500fps

Semi auto Sniper Rifle = 400fps

Both have a 30m minimum engagement range.

was there a recent change in the appropriate laws in the UK?

http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/forums/i...showtopic=28821 It's an old post, but raises some interesting questions

No, anything above 328 fps on an AEG will have to be rigged to fire semi-auto only and not exceed a limit of 400 fps, maintaining the 30m minimum engagement rule.

Is that for Whiskey's benefit or mine?

Whiskey's, sorry.
Barrett, yeah I know that, but isn't there some question of a converted AEG's legality rather than something like a PSG1?

Think the bit you are looking for is a weapon that is manufactured as full auto but has the auto disabled is still considered a full auto in the eyes of the law.

Question folks,

If I bang my M14 up to 400fps:

1) Does that make it subject to sniper ammo limits (which i believe are less)?

2) Will simply removing the selector catch suffice, or would you prefer the internal bar was removed too?

3) Is anyone 100% sure that it's 'legal' to do so?

Forgive my ignorance, I've been living in ingnorant 328 bliss for ages and have been avoiding the FPS debate recently.

I will get Slim_Shady to answer that one has he has more knowledge on the subject.

Based around the firearms law, anything under 328fps ur fine. Up to 1.35J/381fps is a grey area because the law is grey itself, but most ppl will go up to this. Bolt action up to 12lb/ft ur fine owning without a licence. Shooting at people and causing an injury and you could be in trouble, hence the 30m min engagement and 500fps limits. Converted fully auto to semi over 328/381 depending where u sit, most ppl sit at the over 381 limit, is a defo no no. A fully auto converted to semi is still an auto in the eyes of the law. Semi auto guns that have always been semi auto, is one thing that isnt clear cut as far as I read. Full auto is when at least 2 shots are loaded in concession with only one trigger pull.

Some of its defined others isnt. My Auto AEG will be over 328 but under 381 by quite a bit, my bolt action will be 500fps.

400fps is a site limit. Doesnt mean its the law. If you choose to break the law that is ur choice. Just because a limit is 70 on the motorway, you could still be charged with dangerous drivign doing that in the snow. Nothing is ever that clear cut.

L8rs

Nad

1) Yes

2) Fine

3) Its not 100% Legal, but in all honesty its a fucking stupid piece of legislation and as far as I know no-one has been prosecuted under that law, because the definition of lethality has still not been tested, although it was guesstimated to be in excess of 2.5 j by a leading expert IIRC.

Yes, we are allowing sniper rifles that technically may contravene a piece of legislation. Yes, so do many other sites, and frankly, I think that we're in enough trouble due to the realistic appearance of our replica's without worrying about yet another potential issue.

If people want to start flaming at this point, fine, we'll BAN aeg sniper rifles at the game and leave it at that.

Cheers for that Slim, I'll give it some thought.