Basically as we have tp provide our own methods to get into the lofts if we want to use them, is there any chance of getting some pics of what we'll have to be getting up to and some rough measurements(height mainly). As me and my team are trying to think of ways to get into the lofts with out carring full ladders grappling hooks ect.

Cheers,

Ak.

well i hear the lofts are between 8 and 12 feet off the ground my plan was to give my cuz a bunk up (he stands on my shoulders) armed with a rope ladder he gets up there i pass up the kit he lowers the ladder its totaly infeasable to carry a step ladder round... im bringing a back pack so that's where it will be stored along with half a tonne of pyro's!!

-syko

Ye we were thinking of a rope ladder or somthing, how are you going to attach it> hooks?

The use of ladders and the loft sapces is stil ebject to a site recce to confirm that they are safe enough for use.

Don't buy anything or make plans just yet.

Or if your really (unnaturally) tall then just bode some planks onto your back legs and arms and everyone can use you as a portable ladders.

Kit needed. 1, 4ft length of 2x2 (hard wood). 1, 8ft. length of rope knotted at 12" spacings.

Method. 2 of team kneel on one knee facing each other. Hold wood on shoulder. 3rd team member steps from knee onto wood, holding the walls for support. The 2 kneeling, slowly stand, lifting the 3rd. member into loft opening. 3rd member pulls himself in, assisted by other two raising the support further. Once in, wood is passed upto team member who postions wood across opening with the rope hanging down. Team climb rope into loft. Any extra kit can be tied to rope and pulled up before team climb.

Sounds a good trick now for the 4ft bit of wood.

Of course you can use a shorter bit of wood if you already know the size of the loft hatch.

Have been on exercise at copehill far to many times. the loft hatches are higher enough that you would need a bunk up to them. like was mentioned earlier about 8 + foot of the ground. some buildings are higher then others. but either a bunk up or a ladder/ improvised ladder is what is used mainly on exercise.

Can u remeber the rough dimensios of the loft hatch?

As echoed by my dear cousins first post, we weren't planning on a mere bunk-up, I was gonne climb onto his shoulders, and then into the loft hatch. 5'5"+5'8" = 11'1". More than enough. Any higher and I could always use my ever popular arms, w/ hands attached. Dead useful.

-Gir

The Ceilings are around 10 foot, so please don't assume ANYTHING until we get back to you with a definitive answer.

Health and Safety is always an issue. I know with other organisers of events using MOD land etc , we should anticipate restrictions on those grounds.


Kevin

Ak
judging by photos i have from posing on ex's i'd say the loft hatches are about 2 foot by 3 foot. i remeber fitting through them in cba and webbing so that size sounds about right. also the loft floors are like the rest of the building. thick concrete. all the floors in these houses are designed to take sangers and shit built in side of them.

lewis

ok sounds good cheers 4ft wood sounds right then. Cheap and easy,

Fuck sake, WAIT for the recce before going off half-cocked.

If we are the slighest bit concerned about possible safety implications the lofts are NOT going to be used.

The lofts at Catterick have fixed ladders, and they're not used by airsofters for exactly the same reasons - health and safety concerns. Now, we're talking about jury-rigged affairs, or giving someone a boost.

Do the maths folks.

lol, ok mate, not going to break the bank for a piece of wood and rope, if it turns out I can't use it so be it, I just like being prepared. I'm not buying anything atm anyway.

look if your team is a 10 man section why dont you wait for ian or daves ok! and IF they allow loft access chip in and get a sectioned survey ladder ... will cost about 6 or 10 quid each

u can google or if need be I will provide links
they range from 60 quid to 160 for the "guchi all singing all dancing does everything but ebay ladder"

these range from 7kg to 12kg ... the average decent ones are 10kg and reach 3.8m more than enough for loft access.

This will save us all getting tarnished when some numpty falls from someones shoulders or other improvised climb.
As Ian and Dave say this is about safety not spoiling fun.
accidents happen but lets try and avoid the forseeable ones.

http://www.ladder-store.com/acatalog/Ladde..._Ladders_7.html
http://www.midlandladders.net/
http://www.surveyexpress.co.uk/acatalog/On...Ladders_15.html

Above all IF dave and Ian give the go ahead dont forget you dont have to buy this stuff ... you can lease it for a weekend from just about any decent survey company.



F

OK, maybe you didn't get it first time around so I've added some emphasis to help out a bit.

The issue as I understand it is not about you getting up there, it's about you not falling out of the attic and breaking your stupid neck.

It would be easier to assume for now that until we get a definate YES, that we are allowed to use the lofts, that we can't.
While this planning is a useful intellectual excercise, if the H&S survey says NO, then that is all this is, an intellectual exercise.

By the way, for the truely hard of understanding, the phrase "Do the maths folks", does not refer to the cost but is another way of saying use some common sense* dolts, but far more politely.

p.s. this post is not like sniper fire, which is always personally addressed and swiftly recieved, this is more like artillery fire, addressed "To whom it may concern".


*and a spell checker in my case.

Now im not sure how the whole insurance thing works and i have no experiance of the site, but could the attics be used if everyone signs some kind of waiver?

Obviously if there is a huge chance of people being hurt its a bad idea waiver of no waiver but im just curious even if my fat ass wont fit through the loft hatch

Also can i ask what medical facilities will be on site as im pretty sure we will be miles from anywhere!



Awesome quote

That night be one way you could address the problem, by having players accept their own responsibility for injury.

But it is not going to happen that way. It is our job to ensure you have a bloody good time, but much more importantly it is our job to make sure you make it back out in one piece and fully functional!

We may be fully protected by a waiver, we maybe not. But at the end of the day, I don't want ANY bugger falling head first through a hole, head first, with a 10' drop, straight on to a concrete floor below.



At present we have plans to have two paramedics and a number for first aiders on site. We have also contacted the local emergency services to make they are fully aware of the event.

dont worry Keldon, I know what to do.
1. If the casualty is uncontious, Dip their pockets immediately.
2.If there is anyone near by, send them for help to leave you to empty the casualties wallet and take their credit cards.
3.if the casualty has credit cards/switch cards try to rouse them and put them in the "encouraging" position..with one arm pressed firmly to wards their neck , while talking in a calm manner and obtain the pin numbers...
4.when the emergency services have been contacted, leave it to the proffesionals and walk to the nearest ATM and reap your reward.

im sure that was the firsts aid course i was on....something like that anyway.

Fair enough on the loft issue, it is a big danger, especially if a mk5 joins you in the loft




Good too know your trained brian if you nip me to the ATM we can split it 50/50