Thoughts on their play. Did they bring anything new to British airsoft? Or did they spoil the game? Your comments here please...

All fantastic.

One of them shot me in the knackers from about 5 foot and couldn't stop apologising afterwards.

The guys on the rebel team were all up for it big time. I saw them the most from where my team were playing (the far end of town). Language barrier didn't seem to be very big. They were always the first in to clear buildings and always near the front line.

I concur, a top notch performance from the international players we’ll played, we’ll up for it and nice guys.

We were attacked in the middle of the night by some spanish special forces

Nice guys

shot me and my mate, we shouted medic so he pokes us both in the chest twice and goes 'now you both dead, knife kill'

then they buggered off and said 'thankyou see you later'

but yeah top bunch of lads

I surprised at there presence being questioned really...

From what I were saw they were all awesome players, up at the front the whole time giving it 100%. And they were lovely fellas to boot.

They are welcome by me anytime!

Met loads of foreigners with English accents I think more people had trouble with my Scottish accent than our friends from abroad. Excellent guys to play along side of though.

I think the sportsmanship across the board was very high.

I was with the scandinavians on the coalition side and they were a superb group to play with

Their motto was "PURE AGRESSION", so it suited me fine

I agree ,just having them there showed just how well supported this event had become! & i think hearing 1 or 2 different languages & accents added to the NATO feel of things

Mike

I agree ,just having them there showed just how well supported this event had become! & i think hearing 1 or 2 different languages & accents added to the NATO feel of things

Mike

i spent alot of time with the slovakians and slovinians top top guys! pleasure to play with em hope to see them at the next event
great sense of humour and more than ready to get stuck in!
quality players the lot of em

-syko

Have to agree, not sure why it needs to be questioned. One of my highlights (if not THE hightlight) of the weekend was a mad dash with 2 Scandanavian SF guys. We caused some serious havoc for a short period of time

Actually, I hope we gave all the international players a good image of the UK airsofting scene.

enriched definatley, i dont know what sort of xenophobic cunt would say otherwise

I agree with sovietspace,it's an inflamatory question that didn't need to be asked.To answer,every one of the international players i met where great players & fantastic people & enjoyed playing with or against them at any time.{even the Scots players were great }.It may end up that the only way to get a decent Milsim game will be guests in their countries if our Goverment get their way?

Its not even as if Foreign Airsofters are unusual in this country, so frankly I fail to see the purpose of this thread.

They were all great, had their guns downgraded especially in many cases, and basically put more into this event than 90% of the other players, travel notwithstanding.

Yeah agreed Slim- at least they stayed the duration unlike some of the lightweights on the Rebel side!

/me applaudes sero's swift dig in the rebel ribs hehe

It's just Tomy trying to get feedback on the impression we've left behind, nothing else.

personally i think that they showed the way in many respects.
glad they came over and a pleasure to fight alongside them.

I spent a fair ammount of time talking to and playing alongside the Swedish players on the coalition side, they were a great bunch of lads. Got me considering a trip to a game in Sweden some time!

ROB...

yeah but yur from edinburgh scott thats not really scotland coz we dont understand you either

I thought they were quality!!
All a really nice bunch of guys and up for a laugh!
I was dead once and he shot me back accident he apologised then joked "we dont like medics" quality bunch of guys and definatl;y get them to come along again! Theyd be welcome at Black Ops any time!!
I just wish i had the money and time to travel over there and play in one of their big events!!

I suspected it might have been something like that...

Well, I think you all acquitted yourselves very well indeed, I think I can speak for all when I say thank you for coming

Ah

Thought you guys were great personally, and a lot of people commented on the overall high skill level of the teams. Its really nice to see foreign players in the UK because it really brings home the sense of community that we have developed, and I just hope we can bring as much to your games should we be lucky enough to attend.

Yeah was great to see alot of guys come over from this event, I was checking people in for a couple of hours and it was great to meet some of you and hear how long it had taken you to get here!!!

One group I believe had three seperate parties, two on planes and 1 in the car brining the guns!

Mucho respect to them & hope they return again!

Well it's taken me a while but:

Guy's Jag skulle lik till tack själv mycket till deras hård arbete i löpet av spel. Jag var grundligt göra intryck på med det entusiasm så pass du gick omkring din speciell pressar roll. Jag hoppa det så pass vid tiden om nästa spel Jag vill kunde tala mer svensk än JAG gör for. Tack själv.

Hope I got the grammar right.

Sorry that I couldn't say the same in the languages of all the overseas players that attended, but to put it in a nut shell: All were top guys and a pleasure to meet.

international players are a credit to the sport and to ta2 all those that i met on the weekend and all previous weekends have been some of the hardest fighting people on the field and some of the fairest aswell.

i have the upmost respect for someone who is prepared to travel so far to take part not only does it show dedication but also that we brits can put on some excellent weekends

having said all that it would not stop me putting rounds into them if they are on the opposing team.
lets hope that the law in this poxy country does not change and stop them taking part

The van playing kalinka outside your (and our) buildings on saturday morning got us in the mood

I had forgotten that! I thought I was hearing things at first

actually, the silver van was playing rammstein, kalinka and the rest of russian stuff was coming out of the black mercedes
but glad to hear it helped to get people in the proper mood

absolutely pointless thread.

How is it???

Well they enrich the game so much and add a bit of diversity, I don’t see how anyone could be of the opinion that they somehow detracted from the game experience.

As has been said, they were all well received and hopefully they enjoyed it enough to come back next year.

Forgive me if Im wrong but going by the post with the TA2 video teaser in, I assume Tomy is one of the international players he was refering to, so thats why tomy is asking.

The guys on the rebel side were amazing, give them cover fire and they went for it. Question is whay the 'feck' was the question asked!!!!They were an absolutle amazing asset to the whole weekend. Thanks for making the trip over to play with us.

Top guys, I would happily fight with them any time.

May the internationl rebel alliance reuinte for 2007 and TA3


kevin

I'm beginning to see that the question was relevant as i believe it was never intended to start an argument.I think that the way the question was asked was a bit blunt which has got up peoples noses & it wasn't meant to cause offence{i hope?}.
I think that all of the International players have brought a flavour of airsofting over seas.It's given us a chance to see what can be achieved with out a Goverment busy body trying to save us from our selves & helped bring the community closer together.I for one{language difficulties aside}wouldn't mind travelling to play on their playing sites with them.They were a good bunch & i look forwards to seeing them all next year?

Yeah guys lol, I think a few people read the post in haste.... the guy was merely asking if he and his team-mates were recieved well..... which they were!

Good effort guys & would be nice to return the favour going to one of their events!

To put it simply the guy who started the post was one of the foreign players....

and i think they did really well

& with it being a foreign player who asked the question we can understand why the question was so blunt.I actually got round to checking on a map where Slovakia & Slovinia was .Hellfire that's some distance that some of them drove to get here, even more respect to them.My only possible problem with travelling over there now would be the summer heat,i don't handle hot weather that well,they don't seem to have had that problem with our weather

Howdy there,

I started the thread, cos we had no idea how people looked at our style/type of game and some things that we did (the stunts with the megafone, etc).

This is the third year we travel to International events to see how other countries are developing airsoft.

As an example, it has been the 4th time we met with the Swedich team Warlords, which played on the coalition side, and we kinda developed a bond of travelling to Int Events, although we are never in contact, we just meet there...

Seeing all of the big games we travelled to, especially Berget 4 in Sweden (a 700+ people event for 52 hours nonstop), Rjavi Ris in Slovenia, Krakow games in Poland and TA2, we try to incorporate all the best features from all of the events to our games.

We never played with UK people before (i believe only a very few were at Berget 4) and I just wanted to know how you looked at us.

How we seen TA2, you will find shortly in our TA2 video (teaser in a separate thread) and a report which we will write also in english.

Hul hovno,
Tomy,
D-Force airsoft team www.dforce.sk
WTF alliance www.wtf.as

I think the term good fun to have about is how we'd sum up all the international players.You show the way it should be done & the way we'd all like to play airsoft if our Government leave us alone.

tomy or any other international player, I would be very interested to know how you thought TA2 compared to the other international events you attended?

in terms of gameplay? basically massive scale skirmish in extraordinary environment, with nice extras like vehicles and pyros. little or no coordination with HQ (I can only speak for the rebel side).

What was that 52 hour one like???

Must have been immense!

TA2 was poor in scenario. In fact, there was no scenario. One side attacks, the other side defends. Commanders did not play any big roles here, nor were there any possibilities of tacticising. This caused a skirmish of scattered small groups where I frankly wasn't even capable of holding my Bravo 5 Plt together. We fought numerous individual fights and there was little concious as "us, the rebels". It started to build up only on Sunday! Ian knew this in advance but due to shortened capacities he sacrificed scenario at the cost of other (promised) goodies. I understand his decision and give him many credits for his effort on other fields of event.

In contrast, most EE (eastern european) events have a very good story, much effort is put into roleplay. Very little effort is made to make participants feel pampered and comfortable, rather we have to set up own camp and survive however we want to. Only water is what we demand for the fee, hehe. We accept this and take care of ourselves. For that fact, participation fee is much lower there, it goes 30€ max. In fact, for 30€ per head, organizers can already afford two BMP's at this event! Imagine rolling 60 kmph through sand? Without a shemagh you and your AEG are wasted, hehe.

So, we have a good story, excellent ambient, true roleplayers and I must also say, very fair play. Medic rules are similar to TA2 only respawn lasts much longer. Up to 1 hour... so there is some extra time for rest, hehe.

Within the story, there are many small scenarios, covert ops, spies and what is most important, civilians. Civvies give the game that extra spice for limited RoE. One additional goodie is for sure the possibility to surrender and be traded for captured enemy much faster than 1 hour respawn would take you.
So these are all just examples to compare EE events with TA2.
Also, we strongly believe that a dedicated game master can keep ALL players busy at ALL times.

If you are asking about another our games check this out (280 mg!!!) http://www.dforce.sk/main.php?b=74&p=153&r=202

and if you go to "galeria" on our site you will find also photos from desert storm

We avoided Role-play because frankly, it doesn't seem to be an item that UK skirmishers really want - they seem to prefer Mil-Sim rather than Film-Sim as it were - hence, we avoided the use of scenario's because it promotes role-play rather than action in some cases.

In TA1 we did provide numerous sub-missions, but found that the action was so intense as to preclude their inclusion in TA2, simply because the "simple non tactical" task of defending a whole village should have been enough - I must say that if you're the guy who was in Firesupport buying new gears on Saturday evening, I couldn't understand why you thought the play was non-tactical any more than I can now having thought about it.

The act of defending a Village promotes tactical thinking in both assault and defence, what more do you want ? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you so feel free to elaborate.

I don't think you can get a better ambient atmosphere than Copehill down for Fibua, designed as it is expressely for that purpose, and as to hiring more Vehicles, the budget simply did not allow for that level of expenditure. Of course at this point some clever sod will jump in and say that we had x people at y cost so what did we do with the cash?

Simple - Spent it on Cleaning up after you guys, insurance, pyro's, Marshalls and al the other things that go to making an event this size work.

TO be honest, I have spent 23 years as a role-player and there are other events in the UK that cater to your tastes. I would never dream of putting on such an event in the future (having done so at international levels in the past) because in all honesty the Airsoft RP events that have been held so far have not been successfully recieved in many cases (not all).

Sounds as if you thought this event was something that it wasn't.

To make it clear - MIL SIM vs ROLEPLAY

This was NEVER advertised as an RP event, so we're sorry that you thought it was. We had a back-story if you checked the web-site, but that was for flavour purposes rather than to allow you to portray characters within that framework.

Oh well, can't please all the people....

I'd be really interested in hearing more about the Berget events as I wouldn't mind attending the next one

Slim Shady, please do not feel threatened or offended. Soviet asked us to tell the difference between TA2 and other games we played.

I never questioned the budget of TA2 nor did I ask to have my hygiene judged. I left absolutely no papers or rubbish behind! Only 5000 BB's.
And I did not buy new gears, mine lasted through the event

I did expect some more planned missions so to speak, at TA2, but regardless I had wonderful time. Lots of action, lots of dying, lots of killing. Worth every cent or penny and I also thanked to Ian for the effort and organisation. So, thank you too, Slim, for wonderful organisation and time we had.

First to introduce myself: Deki, AKS, Slovenia

I've been in airsoft for about 6 years, playing almost every weekend, created more than 20 scenarios, played a lot more of them and have attended/organised some international events.


I guess i could add fair impressions with all that background.


I loved the Copehill Down as did we all. It's one of the kind and thanks to all you bunch who organised this event. If there is TA3 next year, count me in ! And I promise to bring more crazy Slovenians

To be able to sleep in the buildings (friday night) was great.
Food stand + water onsite was great. Vehicles are always welcome and spice things a lot.
I enjoyed talking to every last one of you guys as I found out we all have the same interest (LOL).
I admire one guy (young, medic with G-spec, urban camo pants, black top). He saved my ass many times

The strangest thing for me was the marshals. I mean there was more than 20 of them (whenever i took some video footage they were in it ). For me it was not a good sing as I got the feeling people might cheat. Regardless, I had very little problems with people not taking hits (perhaps 3-4 incidents during 24 hour event) so fair play all the way.
If i hit someone he(she) clearly showed me that he was hit, even if he was able to move behind the corner and I was not 100% sure if my bb's hit him. I did the same and we were all happy . One guy even thanked me (during the night time) when he took me out with mk5 (it took me about 5 seconds to estimate/realise what happened ).

Some might say it's too far to travel form Slovenia to UK, but with airplane you can get there in 2h + 2-3 hours from airfield to Copehill. Taking airsoft replicas on a plane was a 100% joy and we had 0 complications.
I admire players from D-force who made it by car from Bratislava to Copehill (and back) and not to mention players from Scotland, Sweden,.... Must have taken you 10+ hours to get back home in that shitty weather.


Now the things i didn't like

Lack of command/HQ (rebels). As many of you mentioned we were just scattered units withouth any plan or missions. I honestly think that was the biggest flop of this event.
I also didn't like the fact, that coalition forces were allowed to drive right through our lines and pop out of the vehicle 3 houses back. I mean it was mil-sim. So at least let us destroy the transporter with an m203 or an mk5. One time we held the south-east side of the village (behind BP) and 2 vehicles drove from Shrewton street toward us, we (10-15 of us) moved off the road, aimed at them (me with m16 w/m203) and could easily stoped/killed them all. But because vehicles can't be destroyed and players inside can't be killed they just drove 1m by us and popped out 3 buildings behind our line. Mil-sim?

Those two things are the biggest flops that need to be sorted out for TA3


Gamemaster type of game
(Mil-sim, Film-sim)

We practice this a lot and I must say it's the best way to keep the scenario in the guidelines you created for the event. Gamemaster has the ability to keep the game linear or non-linear so what you do in the combat does count. There are a lot of small submissions to scatter the intensity of the fight because we don't need 50 people defending one house and 50 of them attacking it.
The second thing a gamemaster type of scenario can bring is time-critical missions. The adrenaline starts pumping when you know you only have to hold this building for just a few more minutes to complete the mission (mission has to have some logic behind it to spice it up).

Think of gamemaster as a high command (GOD even). He gives orders and field commander on either side does his best to complete those orders.
Gamemaster has god-view ON, so he can increase the difficulty for one side if they are completing their missions one after the other.


Best regards to all from Slovenija and see you guys on a battlefield!
Deki

p.s.
we were killing them better then they were killing us, or was it vice versa

I want to re-iterate what I said in the de-briefing. That is, I sincerely thank every single one of you that made so much effort to travel so so far. It was a pleasure and an honour to have you guys at the event and it made it even more of a special event because of it. I really hope you can make it over again if we held another event at Copehill.

Deki - Valid points my friend. I totally agree with the idea of a "Gamemaster" and that is exactly the position I intend to fill next time around, this I can do by allocating other admin tasks to a small manangement team during the event.